NME Interview (21.09.1996)


 

NME, 21.09.1996, p12 (Johnny Cigarettes, pic: Steve Double)

New Dad New Danger

After a three-year baby-making and gut-.busting recess, the elder statesman of political pop, the right 'on'-nourable Bully Bragg returns. And though Sir William's a greener shade of red nowadays. Johnny Cigarettes finds that with poptastic new LP 'William Bloke' his bark's still got its bite! Red snaupper: Steve Double.

Ever wonder if your body is trying to tell you something? You know the feeling—you've been on the road for the best part of ten years, you've toured the world several times over, seen it, done it, spent it, sold the T-shirt and your life is slowly starting to resemble Groundhog Day. You're bored, homesick, and living your life in second gear. Then you suddenly get an excruciating pain in your stomach.
You must be Billy Bragg, then. And your life is about to change.
"It was 1992," he recalls, "and I was on tour with my band The Red Stars. We'd been round the world and ended up back in Germany where we started. But it got to the oint where I knew exactly what each gig was going to be like, I knew all the places we were going and I was losing any hunger I had for it. That was when I was struck down with appendicitis.
"I swear it must have been psychosomatic. I was desperate for a break from it all, and evidently so was my appendix. So I ended up takin the most part of three years off."
Tsk. Not exactly the rock'n'roll way, is it kids? But Billy was about to discover there is miore to life than rock'n'roll.
"I was laid up back at home after my appendix thing, and that led me to get my relationship with Juliet (his girlfriend) together. One thing, erm, led to another and she got pregnant!
So I would have been making an album in 1993, but then I've had been on tour and missed the baby's first year. So I sopped—wrote the odd song, but I only dod one gig in 1994. And I needed it to get my enthusiam back for it all."
And so it came to pass that Billy Bragg went from miming 'Sexuality' on Top Of The Pops in 1991 to changing nappies and sleepless nights. Five years later, a new album, 'William Bloke', may shed some light on the man they're all calling the New Billy Bragg. Lines like "I used to want bombs at the Last Night Of The Proms / Now you'll find me with the baby in the bathroom". So, much as it sends a chill through the souls of the kids to suggest it, has Billy Bragg perhaps ... matured.
"Fackin' 'ell, you can't say thatz, can you? People whsper the word 'mature' as if it's tantamount to going out clubbing baby seals or something! At least I haven't grown a beard or started my own mystic religion, give me credit for that at least! But you can't kid yourself—you can't still wear your leather jacket as if nothing's happened.
"So yeah, I have matured, and I have no problem whatsoever with it. Becoming a father was a real watershed, and it's out my job in perspective. I don't keel over if I don't get on Top Of The Pops or the cover of NME or top of the bill any more. It's enough to gou out at Reading (as he did not one month ago), engage an audience and see them getting into it. That's why I do this."
The new album is a far more, erm, modest affair than 'Don'At Try This At Home', in terms of pop sensibility and big band blowout arrangements. With the exception of current single 'Upfield', and the brilliantly scathing ska-skank 'Goalhanger' as the last track, 'William Bloke' is a stripped down
voice-and-guitar set of songs. But you could hardly say our boy has mellowed.. If anythinfg, there's more emotional depth and polemical passion here than ever. And don't tzhink for a minute that big nose and dulcet tones are not going to be back on Radio 1, tout de suite.
"My proudest moment recently was when I was going to do something on Radio 2 and I was told I was too young tfor Radio 2. Yessss! I mean, I am getting near 40, but so are a lot of people I respect, like Weller and Costello. It's nothing to be afraid of, as long as you're still relevant and still in touch.You don't need to be moshing down the front at Reading, n'but you do need to know the difference between Orbital and Kula Shaker."
And in case you ever doubted the continued strength of his youthful convictions, the opening track of the album, 'From Red To Blue', should put you straight.
"It's a challenge to people of my generation to keep their principles. To have a kid and still have time to devote to political things is very difficult. So out of guilt people tend to end up getting reactionary and cynical about it all. I'm challenging them not to compromise."
This particular new dad is far from enamoured with New Labour, however. Billy is no longer even a member of the Labour Party; in fact, his membership lapsed after the Gulf War. He feels more kinship now with eco-activists at Twyford Down than simpering beaurocrats at Walworth Road.
"It's just a matter of getting out there and getting things done," he shrugs. "Seeing bulldozers being stopped at Twyford Down, or roads being blocked by Reclaim The Streets is far more inspiring to me than Tony Blair kissing babies." There's more to it than that, though. His red politics have developed a marked greenish hue, especially now he's thinking for two.
"It's all very well going along to demonstrations, but you never really get that angry about it. But now you're pushing the baby along in the street and the car exhausts are the same height as his face! And then you hear how all the kids in school have got asthma inhalers now, 'cos of the pollution, and living i London it's worse than anywhere."
So what's it to be, Bill? Vote Labour or Green?
"Oh, I'll definitely be voting Labour. It's still the only way to get the Tories out. The problem is that the people who would have been in the old SDP are in the ascendant. Almost all countries have mixed economies now, but it's a case of which way the balance is tilted. It's got to be towards the state—as in the people, not the government—because I don't trust markets. Markets are where you go and buy things. The market is not where you go to get an operation, it's not where you go to school. You're never going to make a profit out of people being ill, or education. The market knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."
On 'Upfield', Bill talkes about 'socialism of the heart'. And it's more than just a slightly cheesy little catchphrase, it seems.
"We've got to bring socialism back to what it was all about—compassion and understanding. And for me it starts with the family. I'm all for family values, in the sense that it's a microcosm of society, where the values of socialism come home."
Very nice. But would the right honourable gentleman care to back it up with some policies?
"Yes. I'll say it slowly so that everyone can understand. TAX ... THE ... RICH! Tax the fucking rich! The Labour Party are so scared to say that these days, but that's the only way they're going to be able to pay for social reforms and a fairer society. They're so desperate to appeal to the middle classes, but they don't realise they'll never appeal to middle-class people's wallets as well as the Tories. The way they appeal to them is through their principles, and they seem to be abandoning more of them every week."
Respect. Can Billy Bragg still relate to the modern music scene, though? How does he fit in with Oasis and the Britpop, uh, revolution?
"I like Oasis, but they could do with a sense of humour. If you don't have any realisation of what a ridiculous job this is, you end up like Bon Jovi. there's that orthodoxy at the moment that doesn't seem to allow for anything a bit different. If it's just about having a good time and singing along, and they don't want to make a difference, then how is that any different from Cliff Richard? Also, when you start measuring your achievements by records sold and size of gigs you're in trouble. Bananarama sold more records that the Supremes, but are they better?"
Is it possible to be controversial any more, though? Isn't radicalism in pop old hat?
"I would maybe say that, if it weren't for romo! It just goes to show there are still some things totally unpalatable to all right-thinking people! Thank God!" So where do you fit in the scheme of things, then?
"I'm happy be all over the place. I could be in the New Statesman or Loaded.
The other week I was miming 'Upfield' at a Radio 1 roadshow in Bournemouth, then in the evening I was doing an opinion piece on Newsnight. Who else has that sort of coverage?"
So give respect to your elders, kiddywinks. For Billy Bragg, the father of modern political pop, has taken his rightful place as a Britpop peer in the songwriting House of Lords. And his revolution will definitely be televised.

 


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